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II Corinthians 6:3-10

We give no offense in anything, that our ministry may not be blamed. But in all things we commend ourselves as ministers of God: in much patience, in tribulations, in needs, in distresses, in stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labors, in sleeplessness, in fastings; by purity, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Spirit, by sincere love, by the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armor of righteousness on the right hand and on the left, by honor and dishonor, by evil report and good report; as deceivers, and yet true; as unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and behold we live; as chastened, and yet not killed; as sorrowful, yet always rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.
 
God is not the path to happiness. What kind of church do you go to?

'Happiness' as a goal is effeminate.
Arguably and in truth, He in fact is the path to happiness. Unless you're able to wholly refute countless verses of the Bible, I don't see how you'd ever win any argument saying otherwise.

It's also not effeminate to hope to attain a state of happiness. In fact, it's a profoundly masculine goal that great men have recognized for centuries. Or have you already forgotten one of the inherent and inalienable rights that every human being possesses?

"We hold these truths to be sacred & undeniable; that all men are created equal & independent, that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent & inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness"
 
That's an odd critique to what I was clearly trying to say but whatever floats your boat. And Roman Catholic TLM.

The pope is pretty gay though. So I think my aversion to Catholicism is fair.

True, Roman Catholics faith is that the state of happiness is achieved through God. But there are differences between the Roman Catholic state of happiness and the popular conception of happiness (as an individual emotional state).

The popular conception is certainly effeminent. My guess is that the Roman Catholic (and any modern translation) also uses the word "happiness" to appeal to modern culture... which is appealing to femininity.

Arguably and in truth, He in fact is the path to happiness. Unless you're able to wholly refute countless verses of the Bible, I don't see how you'd ever win any argument saying otherwise.

Easy. Just replace the word "happiness" with "good", "joy", "blessed", etc. All of which are valid and probably better translations. Which verse and translation are you referring to specifically?
 
The pope is pretty gay though. So I think my aversion to Catholicism is fair.

True, Roman Catholics faith is that the state of happiness is achieved through God. But there are differences between the Roman Catholic state of happiness and the popular conception of happiness (as an individual emotional state).

The popular conception is certainly effeminent. My guess is that the Roman Catholic (and any modern translation) also uses the word "happiness" to appeal to modern culture... which is appealing to femininity.



Easy. Just replace the word "happiness" with "good", "joy", "blessed", etc. All of which are valid and probably better translations. Which verse and translation are you referring to specifically?

Joy is more applicable
 
Easy. Just replace the word "happiness" with "good", "joy", "blessed", etc. All of which are valid and probably better translations. Which verse and translation are you referring to specifically?
God is the path to all things that are good, yes I fully agree with that. Joy is a very close synonym with the word 'happiness' and 'blessed' can mean happiness in some of maybe even many of the verses as I understand them, but I would also need to confirm with somebody who has a great understanding of the scripture. Here are some verses that I like from the King James Version that show us how sticking close to the Lord and having faith in God leads to happiness:

Psalm 37:4 Delight thyself also in the LORD; And he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.

Proverbs 16:20 He that handleth a matter wisely shall find good: And whoso trusteth in the LORD, happy is he.

Matthew 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

Romans 15:13 Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.

John 15:1-16 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
 
The popular conception is certainly effeminent. My guess is that the Roman Catholic (and any modern translation) also uses the word "happiness" to appeal to modern culture... which is appealing to femininity.
Happiness is a universal word which has always meant the same thing. I have already said to you that great men have deemed happiness worthy of being pursued. You say pursuing happiness is effeminate. It is not.
 
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Really enjoyed these two talks w/ Paul Kingsnorth. Good perspective to hear given all of the chatter about "Christian Nationalism" these days.



 
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I've tried commenting about 5 different times on a YouTube video, rewording this differently....all instantly banned. Then I did a test comment. Went through. Video was on alien abduction used to explain away the rapture.

Comment: I've always been on board with the "Christians are bringing humanity down, so we removed them" excuse....and then years later it dawned on me.....how does that explain all the children and infants raptured?

Interesting. What don't they like me saying....
 


I've read some Rick Warren books before. He was really into supporting missionary activity, which I thought was an okay stance. His move into centrism at all costs is pretty silly though.

Wanting everyone to get along is one thing, but pulling back on conservative christian values right as the national environment is supporting it is incredibly wasteful. There are not many opportunities for conservatives to make wide ranging social change after all.
 
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And finally Proverbs 3:5-6

Trust in the Lord with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;
6 in all your ways acknowledge him,
and he will make your paths straight.

I was recommended this (Lessons on Assurance) book when I was about a year into my faith. I did memorize the verses but have got a little rusty. I wasn't sure of my salvation and my sisters father in law recommended it
 
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I was reading Deuteronomy Chapter 3 and Moses pleaded with the Lord to see the promised land that is Israel, yet God was angry with those whom Moses was leading. Not even Moses was allowed to cross the Jordan and enter into the land that would become known as Israel. I was thinking, does that mean that a leader is only as good as his people?

I would think that Moses was probably following the narrow path; living according to God's commandments, statutes, and observing all His ordinances more than most if not all of his fellow Israelites. But because his people sinned against the Lord, Moses had to suffer as well. Joshua was meant to lead the Israelites into the holy land. Is it accurate to say that God judges generations and waves of people belonging to certain generations? It's a bit confusing of a question, but one I had in my head to ask

I seem to recall Moses disobeyed God by striking the rock that produced water for the Israelites. God told him to speak to it, but he was angry so he struck it. His punishment was not to set foot in the promised land
 
I seem to recall Moses disobeyed God by striking the rock that produced water for the Israelites. God told him to speak to it, but he was angry so he struck it. His punishment was not to set foot in the promised land

Caleb and Joshua were allowed entry though, the only two. The story of Exodus is so good, so many good lessons there.
 
I seem to recall Moses disobeyed God by striking the rock that produced water for the Israelites. God told him to speak to it, but he was angry so he struck it. His punishment was not to set foot in the promised land

I was thinking about that, and I can see why Moses's angrily striking the rock would warrant such punishment. At first (maybe several months ago) I was thinking the punishment is too much. But Moses was very blessed to be so close to the Lord and to be working so closely with the Lord to the point where he was able to hear a him and even see Him on occasions. It may seem small that Moses angrily did something but that kind of showed that Moses followed the Lord in anger and still the Lord performed the miracle. Basically Moses took the Lord lightly, and instead of listening to an Almighty and Loving God and glorifying Him through good works, Moses did not listen and God was put in a position where He had to perform a miracle that came true but not in the way that He had wanted and had issues it to be brought about.

Moses is only man. But it is interesting to know that he messed up something very simple and was punished very harshly for it in our minds. Like to us, we see that he made a mistake in his anger. A small deal, to us. And his punishment was after 40 years of living in the wilderness that he would not step foot into the promised land. But God did give him a glance at it from what I remember reading. From afar. But that is one mistake causing 40 years of wilderness to be lived out and to be denied the earthly living quarters that was promised his people. Seems harsh, but at the same time, he couldn't be trusted with a small matter like talking to a rock so I guess Joshua was the better man for that particular matter, claiming Israel through war and all.

In the end, God is not to be taken lightly I learned. It's bad for God, it's bad for you and me, and it's bad for everyone else when they turn away or worse, against God. It's for the benefit of all to trust in the Lord. Trusting in the Lord's wisdom and understanding and leaning on Him is 100% the best choice and the right choice.
 
Not sure if this is the right place for this but personally know a person that does yearly charity for our church in this area , it's horrific and actually just heard about it as it really hasn't been in the news.

 
Not sure if this is the right place for this but personally know a person that does yearly charity for our church in this area , it's horrific and actually just heard about it as it really hasn't been in the news.



It is tragic how central Africa has moved beyond Colonialism and now has to deal with Islamic incursions. While there are two sides to every story, it seems to always be Islamic terrorism in Christian countries and hardly ever Christian terrorism in Islamic countries.
 
It is tragic how central Africa has moved beyond Colonialism and now has to deal with Islamic incursions. While there are two sides to every story, it seems to always be Islamic terrorism in Christian countries and hardly ever Christian terrorism in Islamic countries.

Because, by definition, you can't even have Christian terrorism since it goes directly against the fundamental truths. The most fundamentalist Christian is Jesus Christ so anyone who follows him as close as possible will never harm another person, they would rather get killed than to raise an arm in anger against someone.
 
Third Wayism? Sound like some buddhist commie gobblygook!

jk I'm interested to listen to the rest of this thanks for posting. Is this an actual thing or just this guy's idea?

I've heard similar thoughts from some other Christian YouTubers so I don't think it's Gavin's idea
 
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I just visited the secret grave of Jesus in Japan. Took me a whole day to get there but at least I can claim another achievement. Nothing special really, but it is a pretty bizarre legend.
 
I just visited the secret grave of Jesus in Japan. Took me a whole day to get there but at least I can claim another achievement. Nothing special really, but it is a pretty bizarre legend.

Where did you hear about that mcz? That seems like a very random country for that kind of place to be in.
 
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I just visited the secret grave of Jesus in Japan. Took me a whole day to get there but at least I can claim another achievement. Nothing special really, but it is a pretty bizarre legend.

Yeah, I'd say more than just bizarre. It's not Biblical at all so I wonder why such a place even exists there in Japan? From Israel to Japan, that's at least 5k or so miles away
 
Yeah, I'd say more than just bizarre. It's not Biblical at all so I wonder why such a place even exists there in Japan? From Israel to Japan, that's at least 5k or so miles away

And the funniest shit is that, according to the legend, he went here when he was like 20, then came back to Jerusalem when he was 33, switched himself with his brother who got crucified and then went back and lived as a farmer until 106 or something.