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Actually interested in this. Regarding headphones, cables don't make a difference at all from my testing. With speaker set ups, it's different though.

Curious, I wonder why that is. From my experience, usb, xlr, speaker and power cables all individually made a dramatic difference to the sound. But it could be cable dependent, I tried one power cable that only made a subtle difference, another one gave a huge upgrade to the sound. Both similarly priced.
In theory this should be the same for headphones, it's a similar chain up until the headphone itself.
Can I ask what sort of cable testing you did?
 
Curious, I wonder why that is. From my experience, usb, xlr, speaker and power cables all individually made a dramatic difference to the sound. But it could be cable dependent, I tried one power cable that only made a subtle difference, another one gave a huge upgrade to the sound. Both similarly priced.
In theory this should be the same for headphones, it's a similar chain up until the headphone itself.
Can I ask what sort of cable testing you did?

Definitely agree!

Regarding headphones, I meant cables of the same kind. Like, I tried very cheap ones and high-end insanely expensive ones in a blind test and couldn't hear a difference.
 
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Definitely agree!

Regarding headphones, I meant cables of the same kind. Like, I tried very cheap ones and high-end insanely expensive ones in a blind test and couldn't hear a difference.

Curious indeed. I'm currently rocking an Amazon basics coax digital going from my DDC to DAC. The bottle neck in the sound is painful. Currently waiting for a Cardas cable to show up today, can't wait.
 
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My Cardas coax digital cable arrived. Check out this beauty! Can't wait to give it a spin.


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Friend of mine ordered the Hifiman XS and AKG K712 Pro, and we'll compare them to my Focal Clear and Argon MK3 next week. Will be fun.

He wants new open back headphones for gaming, movies and music, so they should have some good bass - what most hifi headphones often don't really have, at least not in quantity because they tend to be more neutral. The Clear are neutral but have a pretty nice bass. The Argons are semi open, so they don't count, we just throw them on there as a benchmark because they have amazing bass and huge soundstage.
 
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Nothing for me tbh

I've decided I'm super content with my old Polks I've had for over a decade now

Nothing I'm looking to throw any money at any time soon

In Polk I trust
 
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Buddy and I did a big headphone face off, using different amps and music sources. Used a little FiiO amp\DAC combo, the Khadas Tone Board, and as amps the JDS Atom and the Little Dot MKll.

Short summary of some of our findings:

AKG K712 ~180 Euro
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The weakest of the bunch. While overall ok and better than some dumb ass 50 buck cans, they sound overall kinda cheap, unremarkable and not very natural, dynamic or engaging. Comfort isn't that good for me.

Phillips Fidelio X2HR ~120 Euro
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Build quality felt nice with the materials they chosen and in person, they look pretty cool. The cups are sexy. Sound wise, rather bassy headphones, soundstage was small, fun to listen to. If you want entertaining headphones, these are not bad. Good for movies. But they have a pretty unrealistic sound signature with certain instruments sounding off. Also, separation is not great, sounds tend to bleed into each other.

Sennheiser HD600 ~400 Euro
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Very solid build quality and very good sound. Small soundstage, but good imaging, good details, nice vocals, good but not great bass. Good, but nothing exceptional. Overall high quality sound with few weaknesses, really like them. But holy shit comfort is so bad. Clamp force is way too strong, pads are uncomfortable, disqualifies them.

Shure SRH1840 ~540 Euro
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The most comfortable of them all. Extremely light weight, soft pads, light clamp force, you can forget wearing them. Build quality is also high, with nice materials. Regarding the sound, good details and stage, good for slower music and vocals. Something about the midrange sounds off though and the driver is very slow, you hear it having issues keeping up with fast songs. Bass is rather weak, with not enough texture to it. Overall not worth the 540 Euro, the Sundaras sound WAY better at 299.

Modhouse Argon MK3 ~380 Euro
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By far the most fun and insane headphones of the bunch. Build quality is ok, they are comfortable with these huge ass soft pads. But because they're mostly closed and because of the leather, they do get warm over time, which I don't like. Sound wise, these are dark and bass heavy headphones, but with good details sparkling through the darkness if that makes any sense. Details, vocals and instruments are good but not great. What makes them exceptional is the bass response, it's great in terms of quantity and quality. Also, huge sound stage. Not natural sounding at all, but absolute mayhem when thrown at fun music, games or movies.

Hifiman Sundara ~300 Euro
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A lot of plastic, but build is ok. Sound is really good, natural, balanced, joyful. Soundstage is pretty small, these are very "intimate" headphones. For this price, amazing sound quality, very strong. Comfort wise not perfect with the rounded shape of the ear cups not working out perfectly, but good enough. Still, if you only have 299 to spend on headphones, get these.

Hifiman Edition XS ~480 Euro
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Build is full of plastic as well, but good. They're light and comfortable with the huge ear cups. The pads are not as soft as the ones from the Sundara. But the light weight and big cups make them very comfortable to wear over time.
Sound wise, these are weird. Because there's so much space between your ears and the drivers, it has a big soundstage, excellent imaging and positioning of the sounds, amazing separation and clarity. But it sounds like you have speakers around your head. While other headphones throw you into the music, being on stage in the middle of it, here it feels like your listening from a distance. Which is great for open world games and movies, they really shine. Also, music like Jazz sounds really great. The vocals especially are lovely. The bass is dry, defined, incredibly on point, deep and controlled. The sound signature is extremely natural and neutral.

But when you throw engaging and insane music like BFG Division from Mick Gordon at it, its weakness gets slapped in your face pretty much. They do an amazing job keeping up with the fast pace of the song, with the great bass response showing off. It all sounds very clear and clinical - to its fault. Especially because you never feel like you're in the song, but like listening from a distance, it feels lifeless and a bit too boring.

These are real hifi headphones. Neutral, extremely capable, enjoyable for "critical" listening, also great for gaming because the positioning is strong, you can blindly hit targets based on their sounds. But when it comes to fast electrical music and plain fun, they don't do that very well. Overall still the best headphones under 500 Euro and highly recommended.

Focal Clear ~800 Euro
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Look at it. Build quality is just top notch. Also comfortable despite being rather heavy. Soft and lovely feeling pads from heaven.
Sound is ... well, clear. Very detailed, natural, engaging. Soundstage is medium in size, which is the sweetspot for me. Not too wide, but not too small. It feels like you're in the music, with some sounds being able to create a distance. Imaging is great, sounds can come from many directions and you can clearly pinpoint their position. Compared to the Edition XS, the XS has more scale, verticality and distance to the stage. Not saying one is better than the other, it's a thing of preference for the most part. Bass response is on point, very well defined, really good - and plenty of it. These are analytical, detailed hifi headphones that also are fun as hell - again throwing BFG Division at them, they absolutely rock and generate an exciting experience. They're the best allrounders and are very good at everything. That said, the 300 Euro cheaper Edition XS has a more clinical approach and a wider stage, and for me, the vocals sounded a bit better on it than on the Clear. The bass is also more dry and even more controlled. Still, under 1.5k, you won't find a better allrounder than the Focal Clear.

Summary:
- Focal Clear are the best allrounder and the most expensive ones.
- Edition XS are the best choice for critical listening, if you don't listen to hard pumping music. Amazing performance for their price point.
- Sundara are the best choice under 500 Euro when you want a good allrounder.
- HD600 are only slightly worse than the Sundara, but more expensive and way more uncomfortable.
- Argon MK3 are the fun GOATs.
- SRH1840 are the most comfortable but too slow and too expensive.
- Fidelio have good fun bass for the price but aren't great overall.
- K712 are meh.
 
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Homeboy accepted my offer of $200, hit my sweet spot

Patience is a virtue. Been after one of these for a while now. Great price too. See these mostly going for $250 - $300

Will legit enjoy it for decades to come ha. Should pair perfectly with my KRK Rokit 5 G3s 😼

 
Wow, I've never heard these KRK Rokits sing like this before

This is fantastic once the low-end is relieved from them
 
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Wow, I've never heard these KRK Rokits sing like this before

This is fantastic once the low-end is relieved from them
Will legit enjoy it for decades to come ha.

A lot of people don't realize the importance of a subwoofer until they hear a beefy one backing up a nice pair of speakers. When you turn a sub off in the middle of a song, the sound stage reduces, the sound becomes unbalanced towards the upper end, the air isn't nearly energized as much and leaves the music sounding somewhat empty and lifeless. A subwoofer does a lot more than just adding some deeper bass to the system, I hope you get to enjoy it for many years to come.

I've been using the same sound system for my PC home theatre set ups for well over 15 years now. Has a couple of 12" subs and a 15" square sub in it because why not? After all these years, still makes me all giddy like an 8 year old when I crank it up to earthquake levels.
 
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A lot of people don't realize the importance of a subwoofer until they hear a beefy one backing up a nice pair of speakers. When you turn a sub off in the middle of a song, the sound stage reduces, the sound becomes unbalanced towards the upper end, the air isn't nearly energized as much and leaves the music sounding somewhat empty and lifeless. A subwoofer does a lot more than just adding some deeper bass to the system, I hope you get to enjoy it for many years to come.

I've been using the same sound system for my PC home theatre set ups for well over 15 years now. Has a couple of 12" subs and a 15" square sub in it because why not? After all these years, still makes me all giddy like an 8 year old when I crank it up to earthquake levels.

Yeah, I'm no audiophile but the difference is night and day when someone puts even minimal effort in improving their audio experience. A little clarity and separation goes a long way

Believe me, my Polks in my living room, Sony headphones, and even my W-King bluetooth speaker make me smile just as much as these KRK Rokits do. All providing their own flavor.

Cheers 🍻
 
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Yeah, I'm no audiophile but the difference is night and day when someone puts even minimal effort in improving their audio experience.

Have you got Equalizer APO installed on your PC? If you haven't heard of it before, it's a free equalizer that controls the sound across the whole PC, fully adjustable to your heart's content. Useful if you need to iron out or want to increase anything.

I personally use it to decrease the 45-95Hz range and increase everything below 35HZ - it's quieter while giving more energy to the bass you feel, thus more favourable to the neighbours.
 
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Have you got Equalizer APO installed on your PC? If you haven't heard of it before, it's a free equalizer that controls the sound across the whole PC, fully adjustable to your heart's content. Useful if you need to iron out or want to increase anything.

I personally use it to decrease the 45-95Hz range and increase everything below 35HZ - it's quieter while giving more energy to the bass you feel, thus more favourable to the neighbours.

No actually, I'd never even considered an equalizer app

This here, eh? https://equalizerapo.com/

I'll definitely look into it. Never really toyed with equalizers much beyond fiddling with a kid and literally turning everything up 😂
 
No actually, I'd never even considered an equalizer app

This here, eh? https://equalizerapo.com/

I'll definitely look into it. Never really toyed with equalizers much beyond fiddling with a kid and literally turning everything up 😂

That's the one. I thought I downloaded it from github, but its been a few years. You can draw frequency curves with your mouse to the finest detail, or there's GUIs available for it that are more traditional.

I use Peace with over 30 custom set bars and same amount for custom presets. Great for when you change sound inputs/outputs on your PC or have a drastic change in music genre.


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Tested the Focal Clear MG and Focal Celestee. Buddy of mine ordered a bunch of headphones to chose the right one for him, so we took them for a spin.

Focal Clear MG
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They look and feel incredible. These are open back headphones. The cable isn't perfect, could be more flexible, but it's still very good and high quality. Way too short though for some reason. Like, really fucking short. Comfort and build are perfect. Sound wise, even more clear than the original Focal Clear that I own, such a lovely sound. Bass is stronger as well, which is great for certain types of music but I feel like it's a bit too much for more calm music. It's less laid back then the OG Clear, with a bit "harsher" but more pronounced highs and mids. Sound stage is nice and wide, while not being too far away, great balance. I feel like it's a bit better than the OG Clear overall, but see how some will prefer the original because they can be less fatigueing over time. Will keep my OG Clear because the difference is rather small. My buddy will keep them because they're as good as heaphones get.


Focal Celestee
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Closed back headphones. Build and comfort are as good as the other Focals, top of the class. I mean, it's freaking leather there on the outside of the cups under the whole structure. Cable is the same as the one from the Clear MG. These have a smaller sound stage and sound more confined, but also more in your face. With stronger bass and a bit less Clear and tiny bit less refined compared to the Clear MG. They have the typical Focal sound and are one of the best closed headphones available though. While not as basically perfect as the Clear MG, these are still very, very good. Especially if you listen to powerful pumping music.
 
There's no way they sound that good
Never heard headphones at that price range, but the gains are generally rather small in the high end. Comes down to preference most of the time as they just offer a certain sound signature, there isn't a clear "better" in general.
 
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Never heard headphones at that price range, but the gains are generally rather small in the high end. Comes down to preference most of the time as they just offer a certain sound signature, there isn't a clear "better" in general.

*buys $5,000 headphones*

*only listens to Joe Rogan Experience*
 
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The main problem with 5k headphones is all the extra expense that would be required to really make them sing and justify the price. You would need a serious amp, dac, high end interconnects, power supply upgrades and high quality power leads for the amp and dac. The whole shebang. Otherwise you'd never hear what they are really capable of.
 
It's been a busy few months taking my stereo to the next stage. Bought a Gustard R26 DAC to replace the RME ADI DAC 2.
When I installed it, there was an immediately obvious increase in bass definition and soundstage width.

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This DAC has the ability to accept an external clock to increase the quality of the digital to analogue conversion process.
There's many out there, but the Leo Bodnar reference clock, which is actually made for Radio enthusiasts has been appropriated by the Audiophile community as it's superior to most clocks out there. The reason being, it uses an aerial to talk to GPS satellites to sync with the atomic clock they have onboard. Can't get better sync than that really.
Adds more detail and weight to the sound, just a more wholesome substance

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I got some new speakers, figured with the imminent global economic collapse I might as well get some end game equipment while I still can. A pair of beautiful ATC SCM50s. I love the 70s aesthetic, but most importantly they sound phenomenal and they haven't been broken in yet. Huge sound, bass that can be felt under the feet, but absolute clarity and natural realism. That's it for me with speakers.
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Chunky boys! I also got some custum triwire jumper cables made to replace the standard plates at the back

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I've cashed in all my Wife acceptance chips with this stuff, don't think I'll get anything past her for the foreseeable. Now have to get some custom cabinet doors made for the front of the unit to cover up all the crap!
 
It's been a busy few months taking my stereo to the next stage. Bought a Gustard R26 DAC to replace the RME ADI DAC 2.
When I installed it, there was an immediately obvious increase in bass definition and soundstage width.

img_20230510_151015rjela.jpg


This DAC has the ability to accept an external clock to increase the quality of the digital to analogue conversion process.
There's many out there, but the Leo Bodnar reference clock, which is actually made for Radio enthusiasts has been appropriated by the Audiophile community as it's superior to most clocks out there. The reason being, it uses an aerial to talk to GPS satellites to sync with the atomic clock they have onboard. Can't get better sync than that really.
Adds more detail and weight to the sound, just a more wholesome substance

img_20230510_145957jkdaw.jpg


I got some new speakers, figured with the imminent global economic collapse I might as well get some end game equipment while I still can. A pair of beautiful ATC SCM50s. I love the 70s aesthetic, but most importantly they sound phenomenal and they haven't been broken in yet. Huge sound, bass that can be felt under the feet, but absolute clarity and natural realism. That's it for me with speakers.
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Chunky boys! I also got some custum triwire jumper cables made to replace the standard plates at the back

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I've cashed in all my Wife acceptance chips with this stuff, don't think I'll get anything past her for the foreseeable. Now have to get some custom cabinet doors made for the front of the unit to cover up all the crap!

Nice setup! Hobby Budget vs wife is always challenging.

While I don't tell my wife how much my stuff costs, she would force me to do very clean cable management, seeing all the black cables would trigger her so much.
 
Nice setup! Hobby Budget vs wife is always challenging.

While I don't tell my wife how much my stuff costs, she would force me to do very clean cable management, seeing all the black cables would trigger her so much.

Being able to see those cables is temporary thankfully, getting cabinet doors delivered next week to cover it up. The chunky speaker cables also have a white cover on them to help blend in.

The wife has a 'don't ask, don't tell' policy when it comes to the price. But she did get me to write a letter with the true cost of everything that is stashed away so in the event of my untimely death she'll be able to sell it all without getting ripped off!
 
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I usually like luxury stuff but am mid-range for audio. I don't see the appeal to overspend on something I won't hear any difference.

I'm a Sony whore so connected to my mac is an old DAC (UDA-1) with MDR-1AM2/B headphones.



Receiver is STR-ZA1100ES in a 5.2.2 configuration with a 8K TV with eARC so don't need to upgrade to a 8K receiver as of yet. I have extra speakers for a 7.2.2 setup in the future.


 
I usually like luxury stuff but am mid-range for audio. I don't see the appeal to overspend on something I won't hear any difference.

I'm a Sony whore so connected to my mac is an old DAC (UDA-1) with MDR-1AM2/B headphones.



Receiver is STR-ZA1100ES in a 5.2.2 configuration with a 8K TV with eARC so don't need to upgrade to a 8K receiver as of yet. I have extra speakers for a 7.2.2 setup in the future.



Tbh, mid-range is already amazing in the audio world. I tested a bunch of headphones from all price ranges and the mid-range gives you awesome sound. You're already 90% there in the upper mid-range. Now you can double or easily triple the price for the last 10% or a sound signature that's more to your liking. Like a slightly cleaner bass response or bigger soundstage, while sacrificing other aspects. Which in most cases, you'll only notice in direct comparisons and when you really focus on it.
 
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how much do you dweebs know about EQ'n sound

From my own personal experience of EQ-ing at the software level I found it had a detrimental effect on the overall quality of the sound, like it impacted the purity of the signal so what I gained in extra bass or whatever felt unsatisfying.
The best EQ-ing I heard was at the hardware level, with the RME ADI 2 dac, that device was oustanding for playing around with the sound signature in numerous ways without any drawbacks.
 
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@Dacon

Seriously bro, audio quality is subjective

Adjust things to your liking instead of listening to some dweeb's advice on "proper" settings

In general though i usually do something like this:

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