Thread: Art & Science of Bending Light |OT| Photography Megathread
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Welcome to the D-PAD photography and videography megathread for anything and everything photo and video (for now) related.

Come to ask questions, learn, humblebrag and more about this topic.

For those thinking "well, I don't have a Canon EOS R5, or professional lenses", photography doesn't start with the equipment, but starts with you. A well framed and thought out photo on an outdated iPhone or Galaxy S phone can be far more beautiful and impactful than a poorly thought out and taken photo from professional equipment.

Getting Started
It's not hard to get started - most professionals will tell you, the best camera is the one you will use. Virtually all of us have phones on us all the time, and this will likely be your most used camera. As Casey Neistat mentioned, content is king, and photography is no different.

Composition
While a lot of photography is how to best manipulate light, many would argue that composition is king. While focus, shutter speed, exposure, depth of field can greatly impact image quality, treat these as tools to enhance framing and composition. In that regards, even before you plunk money down for a dedicated camera, start with your phone. Don't just snap a few pictures - pause, take a deep breath, and savor the moment. Think what you're trying to capture, what your focal topic is. These can include, but are not limited to:​
  • A person or persons
  • Landscape highlights or grandeur of the location
  • Mood of the entire location
  • Emotions
  • etc
Try to remember what you were trying to capture - in some cases you may not have perfect framing or composition when reviewing. It's not cheating if you need to or want to make artistic changes afterwards - after all, YOU are the story teller.​
Here's an example of what my thought process was from a recent Death Valley trip:​
I originally wanted to capture the desolate nature of Death Valley and the despair one can feel. This felt too modern with the colors indicative of modern comforts​
I tried desaturating with a filter in-phone to give it a little more of a rustic feel for a time where one faced the real dangers of getting stranded with no-one around​
The original framing felt too much like the road was the subject and didn't quite capture what I envisioned. I was trying to capture the general atmosphere of the environment and desperation one might have felt and reframed in Lightroom to put more emphasis on the entire environment​
Not perfect by any means, but hopefully this snippet illustrates that it's not about the camera, but what you want to convey and how YOU want to convey it - there is no "right or wrong". If you want input and constructive criticism, don't hesitate to post and ask. And more importantly, don't take criticism personally. Photography (and videography) is subjective. What you may like, others may not and vice versa.​

Camera Settings
While some may espouse that lighting is the next important thing after framing and composition, I would argue that the starting photographer shouldn't worry about introducing lighting (ie. using flashes and reflectors to paint with light), but rather work with what is naturally available. Drawing attention to the correct subjects, conveying a sense of speed or urgency, etc are all equally, if not more important than artificially introducing lighting. Even phone cameras tend to have advanced modes that allow you to manipulate a lot of parameters - if you can master these on your phone, aside from learning new layouts, you will be well on your way to mastering any camera that gets thrown at you. The key trifecta of parameters imho are aperture, shutter speed, and ISO, which are all inter-related​
  • Shutter speed - determines how much motion (blur) or lack thereof you will capture, but increasing this increases light captured or exposure, and decreasing this decreases exposure. Too much light and you end up with a pure white photo. Not enough light and you end up with a pure black photo
  • Aperture - determines how close or far the objects in front/behind your subject are in focus, aka depth of field (in focus). The larger the aperture, the distance of focus decreases and you get a beautiful blur effect, also known as bokeh. For example, if the aperture is super wide, you may focus on someone's eye, but their ears behind the eyes and nose in front of the eye may be out of focus. On the flip side, if you shrink the aperture, you may get everything in focus, but may also lose overall sharpness of image. Increasing aperture size (decreasing f-stop number) will result in more exposure, decreasing will result in less exposure.
  • ISO - determines how sensitive the camera sensor is. The lower the ISO, the less noise you will get and the more buttery smooth the image will look, but lower sensitivity means you need to somehow send more light to the sensor. Bump up the iso and you will get some graininess and splotches of red, green, and blue, but you are also increasing the ability to see your photo after pressing the shutter button.
As you increase aperture size, you will need to lower shutter speed or ISO value. Similarly, if you decrease ISO value, you may need to increase aperture size or shutter speed (or both). Camera settings are an interplay of these 3 settings to get the optimum look. In some cases, for example, you may want more grain to provide a grittier feel or a rustic feel to the photo - just because you get blur, more noise, or less focus isn't necessarily a bad thing. If you want to indicate speed, blur is a good thing. If you want to bring attention to a specific subject, loss of focus on foreground and background is a good thing. You will need to play around with settings for what you feel is appropriate for you to tell your story.​

Equipment
Going to repeat myself - you can get started with phone cameras. The fidelity, details, etc will be lost or reduced with a phone camera versus a dedicated tool, but with consumption of photos (and other media) waay up on mobile devices, unless you're talking to a pixel peeper, you will be fine. That said, there are people that enjoy the full process of setting up a camera, zooming in/out to get that "right" framing, messing around with white balance, aperture, ISO, etc to get that perfect exposure. The image quality can be excellent with this, but I always treat image quality as more of an enhancement to the story. This is not a hard and fast rule, but generally will hold. The exceptions might be super low light, or super far subjects that fast and megazoom lenses will enable taking photos of.

Phone Cameras
Start with your damn phone! ... no, I'm not kidding! Here's a screenshot of my phone camera:​
A lot of phone cameras will have granular settings under Advanced, Pro, or Enthusiast modes - not all mind you, but in recent years, this has become more and more commonplace, particularly with flagship phones. Play around with the settings and you'll be able to see changes in color balance, focus, etc in near real time. It's a fantastic way to learn without investing much money.​
Point & Shoot Cameras
This is sort of the half-way point between phone cameras and exchangeable lens systems. There are some good options out there for sure. anyone able to​
DSLR, Mirrorless, and Brands
There will be a lot of hot debate on this one. First and foremost, you are generally buying into a manufacturer's system and lens ecosystem. The big 3 are Canon, Nikon, and Sony. My opinion? Unless you are a pixel peeper or need to flex your e-peen, you will be happy with any one of them. This is the area where you can get specialized lenses for low light, specialized lenses for telephoto zoom, architectural adjustment, etc. The main lens trifecta most will consider will be: 17-35mm, 24-70mm, and 70-200mm. Apply a crop factor correction if you are not using a full frame camera. F4 throughout the range will work just fine, but if you're doing a lot of indoor, you may want to splurge for F2.8.​
So, I used to be a diehard DSLR fanboy, but have to say that in 2021, the only advantage DSLR will get you is longer battery life. Virtually all benefits DSLR used to have over mirrorless are more or less gone now. That said, there is one critical benefit to mirrorless that make them in general a better choice, and this is the prime reason I think I am done with DSLRs:​
Back-focus / front-focusing issues. DSLRs have an autofocus and image sensor, whereas mirrorless only have an image sensor. In a DSLR, if the light path from lens to autofocus sensor is off from the image sensor, you may get photos using autofocus that are focused in front or behind what you were focusing on. This can be adjusted on (some) DSLRs with microadjustments, but it is a pain in the ass. Because mirrorless camera's image sensor is where focusing also occurs, this problem is all but eliminated.​
If you get a tight tolerance DSLR out of the box, it's not an issue, but I've had this issue on 2 of the 3 DSLRs I've owned. Aside from that, I'm pretty happy with one or the other.​
Canon makes the best zoom lens with the 28-70mm F2.0L that has yet to be touched by any manufacturer. Fight me.​
Pros use Canon, pros use Nikon, pros use Sony. If it's good enough for them, it'll likely be good enough for you. Again, if you're a pixel peeper or brag about specs, can't really help you. That said, if you are shooting in the extremes (such as night photography, low light conditions, rapid movement), you'll want to see how the camera handles those situations from a noise, rolling shutter perspective etc.​

Web Resources
Some personal favorites include, but are not limited to the following:

General Information
  • Cambridge in Colour - They spelled "color" wrong, but not going to ding them much for that. Really great tutorials and will explain everything better than I could dream to explain. This is the first site I send any friends that start photography to, that ping me
  • Fred Miranda - Fantastic photography forum covering anything and everything related to the art of photography, including technique, equipment, providing showcasing opportunities and classifieds.
  • DPReview - One of the oldest and a central location for digital camera equipment, as well as a super helpful (if not poorly threaded) forums
  • PeterMcKinnon - Standout YouTuber that covers anything related to photography up to and including the business aspect for pros. Covers videography as well.
Photo Storage (these are not affiliate links, but most have paid options)
  • Google Photos - If you have a Google account, you already have free space. It's possible to save-to and host images from here. I forget how much space is free, but an additional 100GB is $2/mo
  • Flickr - Up to 1000 photos free. $6/mo or $60/year for unlimited storage, analytics, and partner discounts. Allows users to share detailed photo exif data and such as well
  • imgur - picture hosting site, but gets the job done. If you want to upload, post on reddit, and try to build a following, this works and is largely free. More for memes and such, but should also work for this forum
Closing
There are many many many more topics that could be covered here, and for the starting person, that may be overwhelming (if the above already isn't). The important thing is to listen to your heard, explore, savor the moment, and envision what the ideal photo will look like for you, then snap away. I hope everyone (beginner, amateur, pro and alike) introduce yourselves and share your works, provide constructive criticism, and join in on the discussion while you're taking a break from Gaming :)

On that note, I'll leave a few of my favorite photos over the years below - looking forward to interacting with every single one of you!

Safari in Africa. The tired, yet soft expression this elephant had while being surrounded by jeep.
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Newly opened Vegas show allowed for photography. Was trying to capture the mysteriousness of silhouetted motion
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One of my personal all-time favorites. In the thick savannah grasses, seeing a lioness getting ready to pounce on a completely unassuming group of zebras, came with it a sense of palatable tension and hope I was able to capture this.
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Fantastic thread, @rykomatsu

I shoot Sony mirrorless myself (A9ii), but I really like what Canon is doing in the mirrorless realm these days. I also like Fujifilm's stuff (both APS-C and their medium format system), but I can't justify investing in multiple systems since I don't do this professionally.

Looking forward to contributing some photos and banter!
 
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Bumping this awesome OT now that we've got a lot more people on the forum!

Anyone else into photography?
 
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Haven't had a chance to take photos, due to work and personal life priorities, but did start perusing through and processing older photos. I found one that I really liked of a bird species that's pretty common. Caught it at the right moment when the birddo was looking right at me during golden hour. Personally, really love the composition and lighting.

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Loggerhead Shrike @ Baylands Park
Canon EOS 6D, Tamron 150-600mm F/5-6.3 G2​
 
I'll do some pics... once I get my new phone, hopefully this weekend. Yeah, mobile phones aren't perfect, but they are capable of capturing some nice stuff.
 
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Doubt many people are in the market for a $6,000 camera, but the new Canon EOS R3 looks pretty awesome.




The "focus with your eye" feature sounds pretty awesome even if there are some issues. I really want to see this tech improve and spread to other makers.
 
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Have you tried any aviation photography with this lens? Interested in getting into that game but finding it hard to find to settle on one!

Not really - this is through a hotel window, early AM if I recall correctly, so a lot of noise and not too sharp. I don't think it's representative of the lens...(edit:holy hell I tried postprocessing via phone and it looks like shit...)

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I really need to get into photography and get a propper camera, was in Rome last weekend and really enjoyed taking some nice photos (just with my phone). I need to get better at composition and framing, but I also just really need a nice camera, the only "real" camera I have is a Lumix DMC bridge, but it's definitly lacking as far as picture clarity and produces a lot of noise, the 60x zoom is nice though and the 4k filing is crisp.

Anyway here are some shots I took that I at least really like.

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I really need to get into photography and get a propper camera, was in Rome last weekend and really enjoyed taking some nice photos (just with my phone). I need to get better at composition and framing, but I also just really need a nice camera, the only "real" camera I have is a Lumix DMC bridge, but it's definitly lacking as far as picture clarity and produces a lot of noise, the 60x zoom is nice though and the 4k filing is crisp.

Anyway here are some shots I took that I at least really like.


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The second one you have there in particular is gorgeous. The darkness of the buildings upfront does a fantastic job of framing the alley versus doing just a vertical shot of the roadway and putting just a black photoshop frame around it. Makes for a nice sense of solitude and loneliness. A lot of dynamic range without blowing too much out.

If you had taken the photo just 20-30 seconds earlier, with the (I think?) young lady more visible and contrasted (dark clothes walking in front of a dark colored smart car mutes it), I personally would have considered printing it. It would also make a great B&W conversion too.

Love it!
 
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The second one you have there in particular is gorgeous. The darkness of the buildings upfront does a fantastic job of framing the alley versus doing just a vertical shot of the roadway and putting just a black photoshop frame around it. Makes for a nice sense of solitude and loneliness. A lot of dynamic range without blowing too much out.

If you had taken the photo just 20-30 seconds earlier, with the (I think?) young lady more visible and contrasted (dark clothes walking in front of a dark colored smart car mutes it), I personally would have considered printing it. It would also make a great B&W conversion too.

Love it!
Thanks man, appreciate the feedback. The young lady is my wife, annoyed at me for constantly stopping to take pictures :p
 
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There's good examples in this thread of why you don't need expensive equipment to get into and enjoy photography.

While there are pixel peepers out there, I believe the biggest photo consumption device is now mobile phones. With screens being so small, compared to monitors and laptop screens, you can easily get away with commodity equipment. Higher end definitely helps with various workflows - for example, sports photography, but one can always work up to it.

Peter McKinnon did a great video on this a while ago:
 
I really need to get into photography and get a propper camera, was in Rome last weekend and really enjoyed taking some nice photos (just with my phone). I need to get better at composition and framing, but I also just really need a nice camera, the only "real" camera I have is a Lumix DMC bridge, but it's definitly lacking as far as picture clarity and produces a lot of noise, the 60x zoom is nice though and the 4k filing is crisp.

Anyway here are some shots I took that I at least really like.


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Messier 17, taken over the winter from my backyard. Used a specialised astro camera, a ZWO1600 with LRGB filters.

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Love these shots, really amazing!

There's good examples in this thread of why you don't need expensive equipment to get into and enjoy photography.

While there are pixel peepers out there, I believe the biggest photo consumption device is now mobile phones. With screens being so small, compared to monitors and laptop screens, you can easily get away with commodity equipment. Higher end definitely helps with various workflows - for example, sports photography, but one can always work up to it.

Peter McKinnon did a great video on this a while ago:


Yeah on a mobile phone screen basically all photos can look good, even from a phone camera. But still, high quality equipment offers better colors, contrast and sharpness that I notice even on a small screen. Also, taking pictures while zooming in on a phone camera just destroys the image quality.
 
How "reasonable" are we talking? Either way, nice new additions!

About $500-600 off MSRP each...still a pretty penny. I'm honestly still questioning the 15-35mm, but the 28-70mm is a walk-around lens I had often rented, to the point I've probably spent $700-1000 in rental fees alone, so made sense to actually buy I think...or at least I am using that as justification to the lady :)
 
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About $500-600 off MSRP each...still a pretty penny. I'm honestly still questioning the 15-35mm, but the 28-70mm is a walk-around lens I had often rented, to the point I've probably spent $700-1000 in rental fees alone, so made sense to actually buy I think...or at least I am using that as justification to the lady :)

Nice!

The 28-70mm f/2 is something I'm very jealous of as a Sony shooter. The size actually doesn't look too bad in that photo.
 
Nice!

The 28-70mm f/2 is something I'm very jealous of as a Sony shooter. The size actually doesn't look too bad in that photo.
I think the size doesn't look too bad because the RF 15-35mm F2.8 is also a pretty large lens (and also in the foreground).

Here's a visual size comparison of various glass (and a dollar bill for reference :) ):

From right to left:
  • Canon 6D body
  • Rokinon 14mm F/2.8 (0.55kg)
  • Canon 24-105mm F/4 (0.67kg)
  • Canon 15-35mm F/2.8 (0.84 kg)
  • Canon 28-70mm F/2.0 (1.43 kg)
  • Tamron 150-600mm G2 F/5-6.3 (2.01 kg)
Some might notice I'm missing a 70-200mm in my kit - I'm not sure if I want/need an F2.8 or F4 variant at the moment - most of my zoom photos are in broad daylight, so the 2.8 isn't an absolute necessity...more of a want. I generally find the F5-6.3 more than sufficient but I also wonder if there are some creative opportunities I miss out on because I don't get much in the way of telephoto zoom low light performance...[/QUOTE]
 
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Some photos from a recent trip:


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Park Avenue @ Arches National Park
28-70mm F/2.0

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Douglas Pass Road @ Western Colorado - detour from Park City, UT as we headed to Moab, UT, rather than going straight to Moab
28-70mm F/2.0

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Solitary Moose @ Grand Teton National Park by Gros Ventre River
150-600mm F5-6.3 @ 600mm
This one was a bit annoying to get as people kept on creeping into the field/forest and moose kept on heading further and further away. 600mm helped for sure, but it's pretty annoying when people try to compensate for lack of focal length with wildlife by trying to move closer...

I also tried a few an acrylic encapsulated art print on FujiFlex Crystal Archive via ArtisanHD - similar to the print technique Peter Lik uses. 16 x 24" prints, which came out beautifully. The one thing I wish I did was use photoshop AI upscaling for more detail (it really is magical, when I tried it after ordering the prints). Aside from that, it has a nice almost metallic sheen which makes the images pop, particularly with a good light source (which I don't have yet). Cost a pretty penny, but both my wife and I love the outcome - a slightly pricey, but great home furnishing gift nonetheless.
 
Some photos from a recent trip:



I also tried a few an acrylic encapsulated art print on FujiFlex Crystal Archive via ArtisanHD - similar to the print technique Peter Lik uses. 16 x 24" prints, which came out beautifully. The one thing I wish I did was use photoshop AI upscaling for more detail (it really is magical, when I tried it after ordering the prints). Aside from that, it has a nice almost metallic sheen which makes the images pop, particularly with a good light source (which I don't have yet). Cost a pretty penny, but both my wife and I love the outcome - a slightly pricey, but great home furnishing gift nonetheless.

LOVE THEM! God damn magnificent, very well done!!
 
Not sure if anyone else here shoots with Sony, but I just learned about this insane lens, which I assumed wasn't physically possible.

35mm ~ 150mm F/2.0 ~ 2.8 lens from Tamrom.


Still not available for purchase, but assuming it works well, I will be picking it up ASAP.
 
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Not sure if anyone else here shoots with Sony, but I just learned about this insane lens, which I assumed wasn't physically possible.

35mm ~ 150mm F/2.0 ~ 2.8 lens from Tamrom.

Why wouldn't it be physically possible? (I'm not familiar with Sony mirrorless geometry). One of the benefits of mirrorless is to be able to get the rear lens element closer to the sensor, which in principle allows for crazier aperture sizes. The Canon 28-70mm F/2.0 is quite massive, but I would think this would in some regards be larger than the 35-150 with a variable aperture, no?

That said, there are times I wish the 28-70mm was a bit longer in either direction - I would have seriously considered a variable aperture lens from 2.0-2.8 as a tradeoff. Looks like a very cool lens!
 
Why wouldn't it be physically possible? (I'm not familiar with Sony mirrorless geometry). One of the benefits of mirrorless is to be able to get the rear lens element closer to the sensor, which in principle allows for crazier aperture sizes. The Canon 28-70mm F/2.0 is quite massive, but I would think this would in some regards be larger than the 35-150 with a variable aperture, no?

That said, there are times I wish the 28-70mm was a bit longer in either direction - I would have seriously considered a variable aperture lens from 2.0-2.8 as a tradeoff. Looks like a very cool lens!

It's just that I had never seen anything like it before. Tamron had previous versions at this zoom range for other camera brands, but they were all f/2.8 ~ 4.0.
 
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Returned from Vegas / Death Valley not too long ago. This time, I didn't get much in the way of photography done - more of a lazy vacation. That said, of the handful I took without putting any thought into, this one coincidentally ended up being something I liked. Everything else ended up being more "snapshots" that one might take with a 35mm fixed lens camera.

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New York, New York from MGM Skylofts
28-70mm F/2.0
 
I did my first photoshoot at the studio in 4 years last week. It felt really good to pick up the camera and create again after being away for so long. It is kind of like riding a bike too. I was able to pick up the camera and set up my lights like I hadn't taken a long break. Everything came as easy as it did a few years ago.